I'll answer your second question first.
I do not have the document. I returned the copy of the document I had, along with all of the e-mails of the 20 people who received the document electronically, confirming thereby that the document had been deleted from the systems and/or shredded, because that's what I asked them to do.
I brought all of this information to Carole Swan at the CFIA as a gesture of good faith, to say, look, we realize this document is sensitive; therefore, this is what we have done in order to control the dissemination of the document, and nobody has gone public with it; nobody has done anything with it.
So I can't give you a copy of the document. The agency could, and the government could, but not me.
The other question was with respect to the concerns of the scientists I represent, who have, for a good number of years, raised a flag about the dilution of their roles. The example they gave to me was of the meat certification processes, whereby instead of their having hands-on monitoring of meats that are exported, they have to monitor from a distance and approve the meats on paper; it's like their ticking a box for what somebody else has certified. You should ask for the minutes of the labour management committee meetings at the CFIA, where the veterinarians repeatedly said, we will refuse to do export certifications if we continue to not have a hands-on approach certifying these products as safe. That's been a long-standing issue with the veterinarians. That's one issue.
With the gas stunning of the birds, there was an issue in Halifax or Dartmouth a year or so ago, where they introduced a new process, and they couldn't guarantee that no dead birds made it into the food process. So the institute raised a stink and went to see the manager. I personally went to see them and said, this does not make sense; if there is a risk that one dead bird makes it into the food chain, there could be serious ramifications. I'm not a scientist, but I represent the professional interests of the veterinarians who raised that issue with me. They did a whole turnaround within a couple of weeks to redo this process so that it would be safer.
You know, I'm like the watchdog. I'm not supposed to be the watchdog for CFIA; they're supposed to have people there who are telling them, and they're supposed to listen to their experts, when issues come forward that have risks for food safety.
So there are all kinds of things happening for efficiency purposes and changing the way inspection is being done, regardless of the document and what is being proposed to further this direction that has been implemented already.