Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you to the witnesses for coming in.
The reality, Mr. Atamanenko—and this is not a cheap shot, quite honestly—is that we would be missing many of these discussions if the former programs were still in place, the NISA program and provincial programs that were its counterparts. Since we lost those, we've now ended up with a CAIS program, which is a terrible program that is not fair.
I think we all understand that when a program is in place, it is much easier to leave it in place and work within the parameters of that program, to keep it in the green box, or as an acceptable and unchallengeable program in terms of trade barriers. We've lost that. That's a fact.
So now we're dealing with a new program that was CAIS and now we're working with a target of business risk management programs that will take us in some direction, even though they still have a margin-based program.
So one of my questions to the panel would be, in terms of the margin-based program, how much of the fact that those programs are staying in place with a margin base is provincially driven?