In any event, I'd just put it on the record that I expect this is what we'll see. The government is not fooling anybody when they try to stack the witnesses against a marketing institution.
The oat growers have talked about the issue of research. This is a problem we're seeing across the country, and I want to be clear on it. You have a dilapidated facility in Winnipeg. Research is where it's at, for the future; there's no question about that. It is a competitiveness issue, because other countries are spending money on research.
You said there was no process for replacing retirees. That's what's happening in my area as well, and we are a microclimate in P.E.I. How many are retiring? Do you have any idea of those numbers?