Evidence of meeting #23 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cattle.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Adam Fanaki  Senior Deputy Commissioner, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau
Morgan Currie  Acting Assistant Deputy Commissioner of Competition, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

I call the meeting to order.

We've lost close to 20 minutes here. This session was supposed to end at 12. If it's okay with the committee, we will extend this segment to 12:10, so each delegation here will lose 10 minutes. That will put us on schedule. We have the briefing by DFAIT immediately after 1 o'clock, so we will have to adjourn then.

Is that okay with everyone?

Hearing no complaints, I welcome our witnesses from the Competition Bureau: Mr. Currie, Mr. Fanaki, and Mr. Corriveau. You have 10 minutes or less, gentlemen.

Mr. Fanaki.

11:20 a.m.

Adam Fanaki Senior Deputy Commissioner, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau

I'll try to be quick.

Mr. Chair and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you this morning as part of your study on competitiveness in the agricultural sector.

My name is Adam Fanaki and I am the Acting Senior Deputy Commissioner of Competition for the Competition Bureau's Mergers Branch. I am accompanied by Morgan Currie, who is an Acting Assistant Deputy Commissioner of Competition in the Mergers Branch, and by Denis Corriveau, who is the Senior Competition Law Officer in the Mergers Branch.

We've been invited here today to discuss our analysis of mergers of meat processing and livestock auction facilities in Canada from 2005 to the present. Specifically, I'll be discussing two recent transactions reviewed by the bureau—the 2005 acquisition by Cargill Limited of the Better Beef group of companies, and the 2009 acquisition by XL Foods of Lakeside Packers.

Before I address these transactions, I'd like to provide the committee with a brief overview of Canada's competition framework, including recent amendments to our principal legislation, the Competition Act.

The committee has already identified competitiveness as an issue that is central to the future of agricultural productivity and the future of Canadian producers. We look forward to assisting the committee in its deliberations on this important topic.

In 2007, this committee recommended certain amendments to the Competition Act. We are pleased to note that the government recently enacted significant reforms to the Competition Act that incorporated many of this committee's recommendations and the recommendations of the Competition Policy Review Panel. These changes, along with other amendments to the civil, criminal, and merger provisions of the act, will improve the effectiveness and efficiency of competition law enforcement in Canada.

In respect of the merger review process, acquisitions of shares or assets, like amalgamations that exceed certain financial thresholds, must be reported to the Competition Bureau prior to closing. The bureau reviews these transactions to determine whether the evidence demonstrates that such mergers are likely to substantially lessen or prevent competition in a given market. If the bureau determines that a merger is likely to substantially lessen or prevent competition, the commissioner may seek a remedy either by negotiating with the parties or by litigating the case before the Competition Tribunal. In all cases, the bureau's goal is to preserve competition in the marketplace.

The importance of timely but thorough merger reviews based on sound economic principles and convincing evidence cannot be overstated. In short, getting merger reviews right in respect of determining which transactions should be challenged and which should be allowed to proceed has important consequences for the Canadian economy.

The recent amendments to the act improve the efficiency of the merger review process by establishing a mechanism that enables the bureau to obtain the information required to conduct its review of mergers raising material competition concerns, while reducing the number of mergers for which pre-notification to the Competition Bureau is required. I should emphasize that the amendments relate to the process of merger review. Our substantive approach to merger review remains the same, including the economic analysis applied by the bureau to assess the competitive effects of mergers.

Besides the changes to the merger review process, there were a number of other changes to the Competition Act, including amendments to the conspiracy provision. By increasing penalties for criminal conduct, these amendments create a more effective criminal enforcement regime for the most egregious forms of cartel agreements, without discouraging firms from engaging in potentially beneficial alliances, joint ventures, and other collaborations. One of these amendments, consistent with the recommendation of this committee, allows the Competition Tribunal to award administrative monetary penalties for abuse of dominance. In addition, to provide greater flexibility in innovative pricing strategies and discounting, the criminal offences dealing with pricing practices have been repealed.

I'd like to turn to the specific mergers that the committee has asked us to address today, beginning with the 2005 merger between Cargill and Better Beef. This transaction involved the acquisition by Cargill Ltd.—which owns an integrated beef packing facility in High River, Alberta—of the Better Beef group of companies, an integrated beef packing facility in Guelph, Ontario. As part of our inquiry into this merger, we sought and obtained court orders requiring the production of relevant documents and written returns of information under oath from Cargill and Better Beef, as well as from competing beef packers. We also interviewed, and obtained information from, feedlot owners, farmers, industry associations, cattle brokers, grocery retailers, and officials from the federal and certain provincial governments. To assist in our review of this transaction, we hired two independent experts—a specialist in agricultural economics and a specialist in industrial organization.

The bureau's analysis of the Cargill-Better Beef transaction focused on the potential impact of the merger on competition in three different aspects of the operations of the merging parties: competition in the supply of retail boxed beef; competition in the supply of “case-ready” beef; and competition in respect of the purchase of live cattle.

One of the key issues in our review was defining the relevant geographic market, meaning the relevant area within which products compete. For example, one of the issues considered was whether the relevant market for the supply of boxed beef was limited to all or part of Canada, or whether the relevant market was broader, so that suppliers of beef located in the United States could be considered as competitive alternatives to suppliers located in Canada. This issue fed into our examination of whether the merged entity could be considered to face competition from suppliers in Canada only, or whether Canadian suppliers also faced competition from suppliers in the United States.

With respect to the supply of retail boxed beef, evidence confirmed that when the U.S. border reopened in August 2003 to boneless beef exports from cattle under 30 months of age, a North American market for boxed beef was re-established. In fact, Canadian customers purchasing boxed beef clearly indicated that suppliers located in the United States were competitive alternatives to Canadian suppliers of boxed beef. In the context of such a broad geographic market relating to the sale of boxed beef, we concluded that the acquisition of Better Beef would not raise competition issues in the downstream market for the supply of boxed beef because the merged entity would continue to face competition from suppliers located both in Canada and in the United States.

The bureau also examined the potential competitive impact of the merger on the supply of “case-ready” beef products, or boxed beef that has been further cut, fabricated, and packaged into servings suitable for display and sale in retail stores. On this issue, we concluded that retailers possessed sufficient countervailing power, including the ability to do their own meat cutting, to counter any attempt to exercise market power by the merged entity.

The third principal issue that we considered was whether the merger was likely to significantly lessen or prevent competition in the purchase of cattle. We concentrated our examination on fed cattle under 30 months of age. The test under our law requires us to consider whether, as a result of the transaction, the merged company would have the ability to profitably lower cattle prices to a level below the competitive market price for a significant period of time.

Again, the key issue in analyzing the effect of this merger on cattle procurement lay in determining the relevant geographic market for the purchase of fed cattle. In the context of this case, what mattered was the ability of sellers of cattle to switch their sales of slaughter cattle in sufficient quantity from one location to another in response to changes in relative prices. We examined the issue of where Canadian suppliers of cattle could sell their cattle--for example, whether Canadian cattle suppliers could sell fed cattle to beef packers located in the United States--and we also examined whether the parties to the transaction competed in respect of their purchase of cattle.

Defining the relevant geographic market also required us to determine the extent to which the Better Beef slaughter plant in Guelph purchased fed cattle in western Canada and was able to influence prices in western Canada. Because Better Beef's plant was located in Guelph, particular attention was paid to the potential impact of the merger in Manitoba. To determine this issue, we examined evidence relating to interprovincial and trans-U.S. border cattle flows, source of origin procurement data for major Canadian packers, transportation costs, and pricing data in the pre- and post-BSE periods.

Evidence established that the two beef packing facilities of the parties purchased cattle in separate geographic markets. We found that there were two relevant geographic markets for suppliers of cattle: one market consisting of western Canada, including Manitoba, plus certain U.S. northern plains states, and another market consisting of eastern Canada, plus certain northeastern U.S. states.

I notice that the chair is kindly asking me to limit this. My full comments are before you in our submission, but I'll perhaps move on and just talk briefly about the next merger before I conclude.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

For 30 seconds, if you can.

11:25 a.m.

Senior Deputy Commissioner, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau

Adam Fanaki

Sure.

The second merger that we examined was between XL Foods and Lakeside. The bureau conducted a comprehensive examination of the matter, interviewing over 50 industry participants in western Canada. As with the previous merger, one of the key issues was the relevant geographic market for the purchase of cattle. As I noted in our review of the Cargill-Better Beef transaction, we concluded that the relevant geographic market for the procurement of cattle was western Canada and certain U.S. northern plains states. Following our investigation of the XL-Lakeside transaction, we had a similar view that U.S. packers located in northwestern and midwestern states represent competitive alternatives for western Canadian cattle producers. Industry participants confirmed that U.S. packers purchased substantial volumes of slaughter cattle and would continue to influence prices paid to Canadian cattle producers post-merger.

One issue we focused on was the ongoing uncertainty about the impact of legislation for mandatory country-of-origin labelling, or MCOOL. We decided that we would need to continue to monitor the industry and reassess the competitive impact of the transaction once there was more clarity surrounding the implementation of MCOOL. In this regard, the bureau remains in regular contact with various officials and industry participants to continue to assess the impact of MCOOL.

At the end of February, we announced that we would not at that time challenge the XL-Lakeside transaction. However, we made it clear to the parties—and to the public—that we would continue to monitor the industry and reassess the competitive impact of the transaction in light of any developments with respect to MCOOL. I can assure the members of this committee that the bureau will not hesitate to take appropriate remedial action should our assessment reveal that a transaction has resulted, or is likely to result, in a substantial lessening of competition.

To conclude, agriculture producers and Canadians in general can be confident that the bureau takes its work in this area very seriously and recognizes the importance of competition as a key driver of growth, productivity, and innovation in the agricultural sector.

Thank you. I'd be happy to take any of your questions.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Thank you.

Mr. Easter.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

I want to go to potash and get some comments from the Competition Bureau on what may or may not be done there. But first I have a question on the beef industry. Have you looked into packers, Cargill or whatever, owning or controlling their own supply? What impact might that have on pricing?

11:30 a.m.

Senior Deputy Commissioner, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau

Adam Fanaki

Yes, and I'm glad you raised that question. We did examine that issue. It has a few different labels—some participants refer to it as “captive supply”. It's a good example of the differing perspectives that exist in the industry. What we mean here, really, is the purchase or ownership of cattle by packers two or more weeks prior to slaughter.

When we spoke to cattle suppliers in western Canada, they did not express concerns about captive supply. What they included in that definition would be common arrangements, like purchasing agreements or forward contracts, under which suppliers commit to supply a certain volume of cattle to packers for a predetermined time and are paid a price based on an agreed-upon formula. It would also include what's known as grid pricing, where suppliers commit a certain volume of cattle to beef packers and are paid under a formula. The cattle suppliers we spoke to told us that these types of arrangements can significantly reduce the risk taken by feedlots and increase the return to suppliers by locking in profits and allowing suppliers to take advantage of higher-yield cattle. These types of arrangements provide suppliers with stability that they may need to survive in what are otherwise volatile markets.

I want to give my colleagues an opportunity to comment, because—

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

We may get time to come back to that, but I do have to get the potash question in. Maybe we can come to back to that later.

Mr. Chair, as you know, one of the areas that we're really hearing a lot about is the price of potash and the dominance of three companies in the world clearly managing supply to meet demand--clearly managing supply to meet demand.

In a conference call, Bill Doyle, who is president and CEO of Potash Corporation, in the first quarter of 2009.... He basically admitted they're managing supply to meet demand. He said, and I quote:

With weaker market conditions, we have the ability to exercise the defensive part of our strategy and match potash production to demand as necessary. This response to short term changes in potash demand is the same strategy that has supported our success for more than 20 years now.

We had the fertilizer companies before us a year ago, and they were saying that potash prices were high, that there was nothing they could really do until two new mines were brought in, one in Russia and one in Saskatchewan.

Then we had the recession and the commodity price downturn. All of a sudden, they were laying off people at mines in Saskatchewan and elsewhere in order to manage supply--not because they weren't making money. They were making money. Their profits just weren't gross enough. That's the reality of the world.

I want to read into the record just a little bit of a letter from a former minister, Eugene Whelan. He said he was worried about potash:

Research has led me to believe that there is collusion amongst the world Potash producers. These producers have been able to short supply the world market and at the same time receive outlandish unwarranted prices for the product. When the market price is compared to the cost to produce the Potash, there is no comparison. ... I believe that the actual purchase price for a tonne of Potash should be closer to $250. Yet when I spoke with a local fertilizer supplier, I was quoted $1035 a tonne to buy the Potash.

The end result of the actions by the fertilizer companies is that this essential product for food production is outlandishly priced and many farmers cannot afford to buy it. The Potash producers say there is no demand for the product and have laid miners off. Potash production has been cut back.

There is a real impact here. If there is collusion among these companies....

Now, Mr. Doyle is not poorly paid. His salary in 2007 was $324 million, with bonuses. That's a substantial salary. He's the highest-paid CEO in this country by a long shot.

Something's going on here, guys, with the potash companies globally. Is there anything you can recommend to us? Whether you can deal with it at the Competition Bureau of Canada, I don't know, but more and more there is collusion globally among the corporate sector, which is either increasing prices to farmers on the input side or decreasing prices to farmers on the output side. This has to stop.

Can you give us some recommendations, or tell us what you can do?

11:35 a.m.

Senior Deputy Commissioner, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau

Adam Fanaki

I could try--putting the salary issue aside--to speak to what it is the Competition Act does and the mechanics of how that works. I can't talk to the specific situation in potash and the various other facts that you addressed in the question.

It's important, I think, for people to recognize that high prices, in and of themselves, are not contrary to the Competition Act. I understand that high prices are a concern for Canadians, and should be a concern for Canadians, but it's important to note that businesses are generally free to set their own prices at whatever level the market will bear.

Where the Competition Bureau has a concern, though, and where the act has application, is where those high prices are a result of a contravention of the act, such as price-fixing among competitors. Part of the reforms that were recently introduced under Bill C-10 would provide a more effective mechanism for addressing these most egregious forms of cartel agreements, such as price-fixing agreements between firms, whether they take place within Canada's borders or outside, and have an impact on Canada.

I would suggest that at least a partial answer to your question is that to the extent that such high prices are as a result of a contravention of the act in the form of a price-fixing agreement between competing firms, we have, through the amendments introduced recently under Bill C-10, an effective provision to address those forms of cartel agreements.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

Larry, do I still have time?

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

No, you don't. You got an extra minute anyway.

Mr. Bellavance, seven minutes, please.

11:35 a.m.

Bloc

André Bellavance Bloc Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

On the subject of dominance positions, what we have just heard is quite scandalous. Mr. Easter was reporting the remarks heard in that conference call that the big boss of PotashCorp was part of.

However, I would like to continue on another matter, still related to dominance positions. Recently, down our way in Quebec and all over Canada, a lot of small producers, suppliers and processors received a letter from Loblaws, the grocery chain. The letter informed them that their relationship was terminated unless they registered for the list of products in their warehouse. So, for example, the honey producer in my constituency, who supplied the Loblaws just a few kilometres away, now had to send a lot of his honey to the warehouse in Toronto and pay the fees that allowed him to be registered on the list of products there. About 500 small producers, processors and suppliers in Canada received that letter and are no longer able to sell their products on Loblaws' shelves.

But we are supposed to live in a time when we are looking for markets closer to home, when we want to fight the effects of greenhouse gases and when we prefer to purchase locally, to the extent possible.

A company like Loblaws, together with Sobeys, takes up 75% of the market. Those people are powerless in the face of the powerful economics of the agri-food market.

Representatives of independent grocers have come here on several occasions to tell us how difficult this unacceptable situation is for them. They have also told us that the Competition Bureau could intervene because of recent amendments to the act. An intervention like that might knock some sense into the people in those big companies who do not seem to understand that local purchasing has to be given preference these days. I am sure that they will have all kinds of reasons up their sleeves, reasons to do with making a profit, no doubt. Are there any other reasons?

I would like to know if I am interpreting the act correctly. When sanctions are provided for in situations of dominance like that where the market is being interfered with, does the Competition Bureau have enough power to act?

11:40 a.m.

Senior Deputy Commissioner, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau

Adam Fanaki

Thank you for that question.

I'll try my best to address this issue in a broader context. I should confess, I'm here in my capacity as the head of the Mergers Branch, to speak to mergers in the agriculture sector, so there are certainly limitations on my knowledge in specific areas.

In terms of the--

11:40 a.m.

Bloc

André Bellavance Bloc Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Mr. Fanaki, I just want to point out to you that this is the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food. It is quite logical for us to ask questions like that.

11:40 a.m.

Senior Deputy Commissioner, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau

Adam Fanaki

Not at all. I'm not saying it's inappropriate. I'm just trying to explain, to the extent that there are gaps in my knowledge on particular matters, why that may be the case. But let me speak to the issue you're addressing.

The question raises an issue with respect to the application of the abuse of dominance provisions of the Competition Act. Broadly speaking, the way the provision works is that where a dominant firm engages in the practice of anti-competitive acts that are likely to substantially lessen or prevent competition in a relevant market, we may seek a remedy from the Competition Tribunal, and the Competition Tribunal may issue a remedy.

Your interpretation of the law is correct. One of the recommendations made by this committee was that the abuse of dominance provisions be amended to include, within the scope of remedies available to the tribunal, the ability to award administrative monetary penalties. In the recent amendments to the act brought in through Bill C-10, the government amended the legislation to allow the tribunal to award administrative monetary penalties for abuse of dominance in the amount of up to $10 million for a first remedy, if you will, and up to $15 million if a remedy is required a second time. So you're absolutely correct that administrative monetary penalties are available.

As to how those provisions would operate in the particular context of the grocery industry, I would just like to point out to the committee that we do have guidelines that discuss the application of the abuse of dominance provisions in the grocery industry specifically. I would be happy to provide a copy of those to the committee. They discuss the application of those provisions in the particular context of that industry in much more detail.

11:45 a.m.

Bloc

André Bellavance Bloc Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

The independent grocers I am speaking about have testified before this committee. They were satisfied with the amendments to the act. They just felt that it was not being applied.

Does the bureau have examples of a case where the law was applied, where fines were imposed, as the result of allegations or investigations into the abuse of dominance? Are there public cases that you can talk to us about and tell us what happened? How did the bureau react?

11:45 a.m.

Senior Deputy Commissioner, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau

Adam Fanaki

I should just clarify that the administrative monetary penalties were just introduced approximately a month and a half ago, so there are no cases in that short period of time in which the administrative monetary penalties were issued. But certainly there are examples of remedies having been granted under the abuse of dominance provisions as they existed prior to the amendment of that act. If my numbers are correct, there have been six abuse cases that have been brought since 1986, and in five of those cases, a remedy was issued through successful litigation before the Competition Tribunal.

I can perhaps provide a more detailed explanation of each of those examples. Again, they would be in guidelines I could make available to the committee. They provide a short synopsis of each of those decisions.

The most recent example was a case involving Canada Pipe Company Limited, a company that was found by the tribunal to hold a dominant position in respect of the market for cast iron pipes, couplings, and fittings. It offered to its distributors what's called a stocking distributor program that provided a system of rebates based on purchasing all three types of these products exclusively from Canada Pipe. The bureau argued that the program acted as a barrier to entry by foreclosing potential competitors and impairing their ability to enter the market or to continue to compete in the market, with the result that competition was substantially lessened. The tribunal disagreed with the bureau on that issue and declined to grant a remedy.

It was then taken to the Federal Court of Appeal by the bureau, and the court ruled that the tribunal had made an error in law in applying the abuse provisions. The matter was ultimately settled by a registered consent agreement between the bureau and Canada Pipe.

That's the most recent case under the abuse of dominance provisions, but there are others that are summarized in the guidelines, which I'd be happy to supply.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Thank you very much. Would you be able to supply those documents?

11:45 a.m.

Senior Deputy Commissioner, Mergers Branch, Competition Bureau

Adam Fanaki

Absolutely.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Okay, thank you,

Mr. Atamanenko, seven minutes.

11:45 a.m.

NDP

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

Mr. Chair, before I begin my seven minutes, I'd like to move that we debate the motion I have before the committee today. I can be very quick in explaining that, and I'd like to do this while these gentlemen are still here. It shouldn't take a lot of time.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Okay. I haven't seen it and I'm not aware of it, but we will. If we could continue with our debate, we could do that towards the end.

Mr. Atamanenko.

11:45 a.m.

NDP

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

No. According to procedure, I have the right to do that now, to move a very quick debate on this. As I say, it shouldn't take time, and it should happen while these gentlemen are still here.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

You want to debate your motion now instead of questioning the witnesses?

11:45 a.m.

NDP

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

I believe I still have the authority to question witnesses once this quick debate is over with.