Let me be very clear. I think the leadership in this country...some of the farm organizations, because of the intimidation tactics of the Government of Canada, fear that they might not get in the door.... It's a serious problem in this country. But anyway, on to the Ponzi scheme, Mr. Chair.
When you get a guaranteed loan from the Government of Canada, what's the first condition? You must pay off the Government of Canada's APP loan. In other words, the Government of Canada has set up a system in which Treasury Board and the Department of Finance get paid and farmers are left with increased debt to the banks of this country, albeit guaranteed by the Government of Canada. Now, if that's not a Ponzi scheme, I've never seen one before.
This is the last point I'll make, Mr. Chair. It relates to what the parliamentary secretary claims to be support for supply management. The proof was in the pudding last summer. The Government of Canada could have objected to the text at WTO that would have dismantled supply management--undermined it and undermined the Canadian Wheat Board. But did the government object? No, they did not. So I would submit to the parliamentary secretary that the words he states are fine, but the actions by the Government of Canada go to my original point that when it comes to this government and this minister, as it relates to primary producers and support for that industry, it's a record of absolute failure.