We're talking about these programs, and throughout the government there are tonnes of programs. There are some good programs out there, such as the stimulus. We've had a lot of compliments on that. We have some programs that definitely need to be a living charter. They definitely need to be adapted, to be frank.
We've had the minister here, and he said himself that if changes need to be made to the programs, we need to sit down and talk to industry and find ways to make these changes. I definitely think he's open to changes. Is that not the impression that you've had in your discussions?