We don't have a dependency other than the fact that.... On the previous panel there were quite a few comments about how these programs have become capitalized into the farm—and they have. It's a reality, especially if you are a single commodity producer; you depended upon those programs to stay viable. It's unfortunate, at the same time, that those programs didn't become or remain a stop-gap, so to speak, but down the road, the retailer knew he could pay us because we were going to make a living between the program and the meagre amount we might get for that particular commodity. The retailer knew we were still going to be able to pay our bills, but he has been able to pay us less.
Carter's illustration was that in the early seventies, 80% of the value of a fat steer found its way back to either the cow-calf producer or the feedlot operator, and now, to be honest, we are under 40% in 2008. The only reason that could happen is that the programs have kept us on the land and kept us producing, when we'd have quit long ago if we didn't have those programs. That's where it comes back to the point that, in reality, we're almost laundering money for the retailer.