I'll speak to it.
In the beef business, we have one major player in Ontario. It's Cargill. In Ontario, we used to have the highest price of beef in the fat cattle market, because within 400 or 500 miles there's a tremendous population. This winter, we had the lowest-priced fat cow. Cows were a lot higher in the States, and they were higher out west.
I know some of these buyers who work for these companies. When talking to them, I asked why this was happening. They said, well, we know it's happening, and it shouldn't happen. Their solution was that instead of bringing our price up to where it should be, they were going to bring the price in the west down.
I watched the prices, and that's what they did. They brought the price down in the west. Ours has come up a little bit, so it kind of evens out. These packers right now are making pretty good money, but it's to get them to share it with us...and I don't know why they don't want to do it. I know that Cargill wants to invest more money in their plant in Guelph, but unless they have some beef farmers here in Ontario to support them, there's no sense doing it. It's sort of the chicken and the egg. We need them, but they also need us. There has to be some balance. But they've got too much power; we can't compete.