My answer to that is yes, I'm very pleased to hear... Those programs would be great. I'm extremely pleased. When I say if we take it to the poverty level, that's the first step. I think it's very impressive to hear you say to live, not just to survive. That's very important.
There are methods out there to allow this. As I said before, if I knew my retirement was secure, I'd have no problem giving my farm to the kids. I have no problem preserving my farm in exchange for debt reduction or that type of thing. I've had people come and I let them use my land. I had a Korean immigrant who wanted to try to grow Korean vegetables. He asked how much I wanted for it, and I said, well, no, you can use it. I'm not using this piece this year. And I provided it for cultivation; I provided the little bit of pesticides needed.
There is cooperation out there. We do these types of things. Farmers do this type of thing for each other. We work together.
Patricia and I are on opposite ends of land preservation. Right now we're on different sides, but we both believe in the same thing, that we need to preserve the agricultural base of Canada. I'm firmly supportive that we need to save the farmer, to save the land. But as a farmer, I am not prepared to be the one to pay. Right now, we are using our equity to feed this country.
As far as the question on how we are...we do not realize how much the system in this country, with two buyers and two sellers, is costing this country now. It costs us a lot. We need to do this. Until the people pay for it, until we start subsidizing and protecting farmers, be it supply management or guaranteed income, then we will not know what it costs us. And it is costing us a lot. We need to get in there. We need to have farmers survive. There are a lot of things out there that people will do.
In my family, I'm sure if everyone had sold over the generations to the next family member, we would not be here now, in our 250th year this year.