Okay. I want to advance from that. One of the things that was suggested in the meeting in Lanigan, which I'm referring to, are the types of programs that would help the young farmer get started, some sort of ability to make sure, for example, that the first five years they've got proper insurance in place.
One of the problems I see with loans and programs is how you keep them from becoming capitalized in the purchase price. How do I take a program and say we'll start a young farmers program and we'll give you $200,000 interest-free? Peter, how do I know that you're not going to jack your price up by another $200,000 because you know they've got the money? That's one of the questions.
I'm looking for solutions that would help you get started, that would get you going but wouldn't be capitalized in the purchase price. There were suggestions brought out that maybe when you're age 65 you don't get farm programs any more and if you're in the first five years of farming you get 150% of the farm programs.
Any ideas on that?