I don't want to interrupt you, Steven, but on the problem of finance, there is no question that the data we have from Statistics Canada, the Canada Foundation for Innovation, from everywhere, shows that a dollar invested in research returns more dollars than a dollar invested anywhere else.
Larry will cut me off in a minute, but I just want to add two other questions that I think we need answers on. Maybe both of you could answer.
Steven, you mentioned the difficulty with grant applications, all those bureaucrats following you around. I think we're in a time now where we basically allow the requirements for perfection to get in the way of doing the right thing. Governments are so concerned whether they're going to end up in the press over spending $10 in the wrong place, but they'll spend $1,000 on bureaucratic delays. It makes no sense to me. I'd like you to expand on that.
What I hear from researchers in my own area is that they're spending 40% of their research time chasing money when they should be spending their valuable time doing what they were trained, educated, and have the expertise to do. That's the problem.
My second to last question is for Mr. Rowe.
You talked about the trials in design. I was thinking that as a result of not doing proper trials, or not being able to get the people, or whatever the reason is behind it, we're actually losing the original investment that was made in that research area.
Could you answer those?