Thank you very much, Chair.
Thank you, everyone.
I'm going to address my question to Ms. McMahon, but I'm going to steal from you, Mr. Hames, your science-based approach to things. We hear of this here on a regular basis, but quite often—and please don't take any offence, because I think what you say is not incorrect—it's used as a euphemism for “must be good, because it's science-based”.
Science used to be based on a flat earth society at one time too, but we proved that to be wrong. In fact, I was watching my 27-year-old daughter do physics the other night, and it wasn't the physics that I did in 1972. It evolves over time.
Ms. McMahon, I would get back to you. We hear the term “science-based” quite often. Is the organic sector based on science as well, or is it based on—I don't know—smoke and mirrors?