Other than when we accompany.... It would be payment in kind when we accompany the minister or Fred Gorrell on what are not so much trade missions, but...for example, we've been over there with the Canola Council. Senator JoAnne Buth has been over there in the past. That would be picked up by the various councils or associations, so I would say that it's payment in kind.
On February 13th, 2012. See this statement in context.