Thanks again, Mr. Chair.
I'm going to pursue a question I asked before. I will leave it open to anybody to answer. We talk about innovation, and somehow we say maybe we are not doing as well because we are not innovating enough. It's a fact—people can dispute it—that we have some of the best farmers in the world. We know there is land being plowed up in the Niagara peninsula because people aren't making money. Okanagan people are converting to grapes because they are not getting any money. Yet these are some of the most innovative people in the world. We know, apparently, that before NAFTA, there were in-season tariffs, and we had people making money in the horticulture sector. We know, at the same time, that we're trying to strike a deal with the European Union, which is very protectionist. They have a 0.5% quota on pork. I doubt very much they are going to increase that quota for our producers, whereas our supply management is 7.5%.
Here is a general question we all have to answer at some point in time: how do we make an industry such as horticulture profitable in Canada and at the same time continue to advance other sectors such as canola and other grain sectors or cattle in getting more markets? How can we as a country do that? We are a trading nation. We need to trade. At the same time, we can't have our farmers going out of work because they can't make any money.
This is a philosophical question. I would like to throw that open to anybody on the panel.
Thank you.