The ministers are very involved. For example in their annual meeting our minister will be speaking to his colleagues. One issue on the table will be the next policy framework, but to get all this work done there's a lot of back office activity, as you can imagine. I chair a committee of assistant deputy ministers whose responsibility is to bring forward ideas for ministers to deal with. Supporting that is a fairly methodical network of people who are responsible for putting the details of a potential next framework in place.
