Yes. I don't like to characterize it as animal protein versus plant protein. I think it's a continuum. I think that what we need to look at is the opportunity to address the outcomes that we are looking for—human health, environmental sustainability, affordability of food items—and the pathway we can use to get there.
I think that the current food guide is out of date in a lot of ways. That really needs to be changed. The opening statement in the food guide here is the old approach: to look at individual nutrients or specific foods.
Here's one quick example of change, and it's an example for Cam of the cereals and pulses working together. You can go to a grocery store shelf and find loaves of bread that have differences of three times the fibre and twice the protein of option A versus option B. How do you make a recommendation for how much bread a person should consume when you have this tremendous variability across products?
I think if we're going to foster food innovation, diversification, and affordability, then we need to take a look at the outcomes. This is why I said the approach needs to shift to a dietary approach and not to an individual nutrient or specific food recommendation. I think the evidence shows that we need to look at dietary approaches and provide guidance to consumers on that basis, and I'm sure dieticians would agree.