I appreciate that.
I don't have enough time to ask you the question, but I would say, Mr. Davies, that if you have any suggestions on comparable jurisdictions where you look at these different programs, that's always helpful to our committee.
I want to go to Mr. Sands next. Certainly, you talked about the role of independent grocers in rural Canada, and Ms. Rood touched on this. I would agree with you. You mentioned incubators. Certainly we have a question as a government about the role government actually plays in that. Is that something where independent grocers and processors or producers can play a role directly? Is there a role for the Government of Canada to be involved in that space at all?