Carbon is an interesting topic for us. From the get-go, we said that we needed to design a solution that doesn't need an incentive or a subsidy from the government, whether a carbon subsidy or other subsidy. Of course, when you're developing technologies, finding investment that's prepared to take the risk on the development of the technologies is a challenge, and this is a role that government can play. We've had some support from the federal government. We're appreciative of that. Obviously, as we scale, we will need more.
The solution we've developed can out-compete the landfill. We have a solution that doesn't require a subsidy at the landfill end. That means that we can say that we'll save you money as a municipality, and you send the garbage to us. You don't need to have the long-term liability of the landfill. Certainly, they're difficult to permit these days.
Our challenge is more the ability to scale our technology and get support from government for the financing required to scale and build larger and larger facilities.