Yes, there's a transition framework that usually has to be applied to any kind of change process. Part of our challenge is that we often don't use transition thinking. The idea here is that we start with relatively straightforward changes that improve the efficiency of the processes broadly speaking. That's just the first stage, because what we have to do in the longer term is start to substitute certain kinds of processes and practices for ones that aren't working very well.
The third stage, the redesign stage, is where we're really taking a lot of ecological ideas, and my colleagues on the panel have spoken to some of these dimensions. We're using those ecological principles and practices to redesign the way our various systems are working. It's really a three-stage process.
Obviously the substitution stage is more complex and takes longer to implement. Redesign is more complex again, but if we're thinking in transition terms from the very beginning, then it's easier to imagine how things might unfold in a reasonably evolutionary way without too much disruption.