One of the problems right now is that, as I mentioned off the top, our program designs are not really based on systems adoption.
For example, you have Mr. Cullen's kind of system. We don't really incentivize that kind of transition process, and there are many ways in which we can do it. There can be direct payments. We can use different kinds of tax-based incentives. Of course, some of them will be administered at other levels of government, which is why there's this key requirement for better policy integration. There are many instruments out there that can be used to create those kinds of incentives.