Great. I'm sorry. I have to ask some other questions.
We've heard even from my esteemed Liberal colleague, whom I have a great deal of respect for, that from talking to his farmers and his accountants, the best they've seen is that farmers are getting a third back. We've heard from farmers in Ontario that they're getting about 13% to 15% back.
That is a long way from being the objective of what farmers and Canadians have been told, namely, hat the carbon tax is revenue neutral. Obviously, through Bill C-8 and the rebate program, it is nowhere near revenue neutral. Farmers are having to pay to transition to another source that does not exist. You're asking farmers to transition to something that physically is not reality. So (a), they're being misled by being told the carbon tax is revenue neutral, and (b), you're asking them to transition to something that in reality does not exist.
Where does this equation come from that it would be $1.73, I think, per $1,000 of eligible expenses? You're saying the objective is to be revenue neutral, when you've come exceedingly short of that. Where does that equation come from?