What do you say to people who tell us that this bill is a kind of gag order that would be imposed on whistle-blowers? Some organizations are saying that, and Mr. MacDonald talked about emails he's received about the bill. I've also had meetings with certain groups who are telling us all this.
What mechanisms are in place? There are mechanisms in place. If we're close to a farm and we suspect mistreatment on a farm, how can people currently proceed to report such a case without committing an offence, without entering the farm, basically?