Yes, I do want to speak to that.
The penalties for individuals are applicable to each individual who trespasses, in this case, or who violates the provisions in this private member's bill. It's not simply the $25,000. If there are more people there, each of them would be subject to that fine.
One thing I want to say is that if we had passed either Mr. MacGregor's amendment or Mr. Carr's amendment, which extended this to all people who basically endangered animals by not adhering to the proper biosecurity measures, would we want a farmer—the entity of the farm—to be responsible for an individual farmhand, employee, family member or visitor, if they did this?
If we had this bill really talking about biosecurity and being broader, what this second clause would have done would be to say that a farmer, or the corporation of a farm, whatever the entity is, would pay a half-million dollar fine if a visitor or an employee or someone entered and violated biosecurity regulations.
I don't believe that it's appropriate to put that kind of a penalty on a person, or an entity other than a person, in this case, given that this is really about individuals who are trespassing.
That would be my argument on it.