I think what's very frustrating, from my perspective, is that nobody comes and talks to us before they put policies in place. It's not that farmers don't want to do the right thing or get to the right place in climate discussions or on carbon pricing, but we're never given the opportunity to have meaningful input or work with the government of the day to create the right regulatory framework, where we accomplish the ability to put an effective pricing on carbon without hurting the farmer.
Let's not forget that the two most important things to human beings are food and shelter, and food security is going to trump carbon pricing every day. I hope we just don't leave it too late.