In fact, we met him again last Friday in Toronto at a fundraising dinner. He did indicate to us at that time that he had spoken to Eric Siegel, the CEO and president of EDC, and he had spoken to Jean-René Halde, the CEO of BDC, and talked about both the points we just talked about: the need for patient capital from BDC; and two, EDC stepping up to the plate to support the automotive parts manufacturers. He was also very positive on FRAES, our redeployment of assets, and said to let Alison Tait spearhead this at Industry Canada, as he'd like to see this happen.
On March 4th, 2009. See this statement in context.