Bill C-11 Committee on Feb. 14th, 2012

[Andrew Cash, NDP, Davenport, ON]

My honourable friend is saying that instead of meeting with stakeholders at committee and on the public record, we should phone and ask them questions. I think that's very dismissive of stakeholders. They expect a lot more from this committee and this deliberation than what you're suggesting we should give to it.

Finally, I think we understand the terms here. We understand the context for working. There's a motion that at least one of our colleagues across the way is going to support, and I think we should see if that's the case.

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

All right, there is no further discussion. The amendment is to change it to “per committee member” instead of “per party.” I will read it one more time:

That the committee begin clause-by-clause consideration of the bill no later than Wednesday, March 14, 2012; that debate be limited to a maximum of five minutes per committee member, per clause, and five minutes per committee member per amendment; and that if clause-by-clause consideration is not completed by 9:00 a.m. on Thursday, March 29, 2012, the chair shall interrupt debate and put the question on all remaining clauses and amendments, as well as all other questions necessary to dispose of this stage of the bill forthwith and successively without further debate and shall report the bill back to the House at the earliest opportunity.

[Geoff Regan, Liberal, Halifax West, NS]

I would like a recorded vote, please.

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

Okay. This recorded vote is on the amendment.

Go ahead, Mr. Cash.

[Andrew Cash, NDP, Davenport, ON]

I'm sorry. Can you just read it one more time?

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

You mean just the amendment.

The amendment is to change “per party” to “per committee member”.

I will now call the question. It is a recorded vote.

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 2)

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

Now we are back to the original motion. I had Mr. Nantel, Mr. Del Mastro, and then—

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Can I move my motion to extend now?

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

No, you can't yet, because we're still talking about your original motion.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

Do we have to wait until the discussion's over?

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

We have to deal with one motion at a time.

We're back to the original motion, as presented by you, Mr. Lake. I had you on the list to speak to your motion; you were next.

[Mike Lake, Conservative, Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB]

That's okay. I'll listen to the....

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

Okay. I have Monsieur Nantel, speaking to the original motion.

[Pierre Nantel, NDP, Longueuil—Pierre-Boucher, QC]

That's okay; I'll pass.

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

On the original motion, the next person I have is Mr. Del Mastro. Then I have Monsieur Dionne Labelle.

[Dean Del Mastro, Conservative, Peterborough, ON]

If I could, I'd like to just ask a question of the clerk.

A motion to extend the meeting is a dilatory motion, which I believe can actually be introduced during the debate of a motion before the committee. Could I just have clarification on that?

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

Okay, Mr. Del Mastro, we'll clarify.

While they're looking into Mr. Lake's other motion in relation to the meeting, we can continue to have our debate and discussion on the original motion that was presented by Mr. Lake. We're talking about the first one.

Mr. Del Mastro, you have the floor, if you're interested in speaking.

[Dean Del Mastro, Conservative, Peterborough, ON]

I think I've talked this out on the amendment. I think all of my comments would be redundant.

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

Perfect. I understand.

Your motion that we extend the meeting until the bell rings, etc., is not a dilatory motion. It would become a substantive motion, because there's a condition. I'll read from the book:

If a dilatory motion is accompanied by a condition, it becomes a substantive motion. It is then subject to the rules on the admissibility of such motions. It also becomes debatable and amendable.

We are back to the original motion as presented by Mr. Lake on the committee beginning clause-by-clause consideration of the bill.

Go ahead, Mr. Dionne Labelle.

[Pierre Dionne Labelle, NDP, Rivière-du-Nord, QC]

I have an amendment that would allow work to carry on after March 29th.

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

Just for clarity, your amendment as presented is that if clause-by-clause consideration is not completed, it may go beyond 9:00 a.m. on Thursday, March 29, 2012. Is that your amendment?

[Pierre Dionne Labelle, NDP, Rivière-du-Nord, QC]

Could you repeat it please? I did not get the translation.

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

Sure. It's that if clause-by-clause consideration is not completed, it may go beyond 9:00 a.m. on Thursday, March 29, 2012.

[Pierre Dionne Labelle, NDP, Rivière-du-Nord, QC]

Yes.

[The Chair, NDP, Glenn Thibeault]

I'll open debate on the amendment.

I have Mr. Nantel and Mr. Cash.