Evidence of meeting #10 for Bill C-11 (41st Parliament, 1st Session) in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Robert DuPelle  Senior Policy Analyst, Copyright and International Intellectual Property Policy Directorate, Department of Industry
Gerard Peets  Acting Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Strategic Policy Sector, Department of Industry
Anne-Marie Monteith  Director, Copyright and International Intellectual Property Policy Directorate, Department of Industry
Drew Olsen  Director, Policy and Legislation, Copyright and International Trade Policy Branch, Department of Canadian Heritage

3:45 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Glenn Thibeault

At the consent of the committee, we can treat them as a block.

Do I have the consent of the committee to move these as a block?

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Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

There are no amendments until clause 12. We are moving that we vote on clauses 5 to 11 as a block.

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An hon. member

I see what you are doing. That makes sense.

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Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

(Clauses 5 to 11 inclusive agreed to on division)

(On clause 12)

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NDP

The Chair NDP Glenn Thibeault

We are now moving to clause 12. Is there any discussion on clause 12?

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Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Can we move the amendment now?

I will move the government amendment on—

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NDP

Pierre Dionne Labelle NDP Rivière-du-Nord, QC

On a point of order, we did not accept those clauses. We voted on division on them.

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NDP

The Chair NDP Glenn Thibeault

We put on division.

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NDP

Pierre Dionne Labelle NDP Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Okay.

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NDP

The Chair NDP Glenn Thibeault

Just for clarification again for everyone, the way it works is that you can speak for five minutes as long as you move the amendment within the five minutes. As soon as you move the amendment, then we start the five-minute discussion on the amendment. Then there would still be the five minutes to discuss the clause.

You have the floor, Mr. Lake. We'll go back to you.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Okay, if we could consider the amendment moved, what I am just going to do is go to the officials for an explanation of the impact the amendment would have upon the bill.

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Robert DuPelle Senior Policy Analyst, Copyright and International Intellectual Property Policy Directorate, Department of Industry

This amendment would ensure that there is no overlap in terms of rights provided in relation to members of the Rome Convention treaty and the WPPT treaty.

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Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Okay, I'll leave it at that.

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NDP

The Chair NDP Glenn Thibeault

Mr. Lake, your party has approximately four more minutes on the amendment.

Seeing no one using that, is there any further discussion on the amendment?

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Mr. Chairman, just so I understand it, this really has to do with the cloud. Am I correct about that? I didn't quite hear Mike. As I understand it, this basically is talking about a case where an individual has access at a time and place individually chosen.

I wonder if Mr. Lake could describe what the intent of this is.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

As the official said, what it does is correct a payment overlap that may occur when copyright owners are from countries that are members of both international treaties. I think, again, we can probably have the officials give a more technical explanation of it if we need it.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

I guess the question, Mr. Chairman, is why would you not, for greater clarity—and once I hear the response I'll decide whether I'm going to move a subamendment—say, “provide a service designed or used primarily for the purpose”, etc.?

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Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

I'll let the officials maybe speak to that.

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Senior Policy Analyst, Copyright and International Intellectual Property Policy Directorate, Department of Industry

Robert DuPelle

I'm not sure we're speaking about the same—

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

I'm looking at G-2.

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Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

We're on G-1, though.

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NDP

The Chair NDP Glenn Thibeault

We're on G-1.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Excuse me.

Sorry.

I'll wait till we get to G-2, then. Thank you.

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NDP

The Chair NDP Glenn Thibeault

Thank you, Mr. Regan. If you still want to speak to the amendment of G-1, you still have a few minutes.

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Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

No, that's fine.