I guess everyone heard the translation.
I think that kind of attitude that we can't stop this copying so why make it illegal—just because this copying is possible, therefore it should be allowed—is very much a defeatist attitude.
If you look at the kind of copying that's been done in the United States, for example, they've managed to build up these business models—they rely on these protections—and we've actually seen the tide turn around. We've seen the tide turn around recently in countries like France and South Korea. They've managed, through progressive legislative enactments that are similar to Bill C-11—but they have some different clauses in there—to turn the tide on uncompensated copying, illegal copying.
Right now we're seeing two things: on the one hand we're seeing a decrease in illegal downloads, but on the second hand we're seeing an increase in legal downloads and an increase in compensated copying and revenues flowing back to creators.
So I think it is a bit defeatist to put your hands up in the air and say there's nothing we can do about it, people are going to copy, as though it's somehow impossible for us to contain that illegal activity.
The examples we've seen around the world nowadays, especially the things coming out of France and South Korea, have shown otherwise.