Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you to our witnesses. This is a great way to start these committee hearings. As I have been listening to you, I have found what you have to say very educational.
If I may, I want to start on the issue of TPMs. I thought Mr. Gannon and Mr. de Beer had some interesting comments.
In the last committee, I don't believe we saw something that both of you have alluded to, and that is the connection between levies and TPMs.
Mr. de Beer, you did it first when you were talking about this being inconsistent with other parts of the legislation. I think you said something to the effect that if you're charging for a levy, then circumvention ought to be allowed. I just quickly wrote down notes on that.
Then, Mr. Gannon, you were tying the idea of levies and the regime in Switzerland to the approach they took on TPMs.
Can either of you comment on this? Let's use the specific example of either an iPod or an iPad. What kind of levy might be assessed in Switzerland for them? In the brief time since the comments were initially made, I went online. I was trying to research it. It looks like there's quite a vigorous debate over this in Switzerland.