Mr. Chairman, I want to say that I agree with the parliamentary secretary to the extent that he's right, these are new organizations that are being brought into the system. My problem has been that they all have new exemptions--to make sure that if you look at what is going to come out of the new system, not much more is going to come out than what you can get on the websites and what not.
For example, you mention the National Arts Centre. The National Arts Centre has specific exemptions in this act. But there's a whole range of federal arts councils around, the National Gallery and what not, who have exactly the same situation that the National Arts Centre has. So the question that I find difficult to understand is why have we given these people specific exemptions that are not discretionary and not time-limited? Why didn't we just put them into the act in the same way as you have done with the foundations so they were subject to the general ones? And if there were things that were not covered, why not add, as I suggested in the open government act, specific exclusions that meet the requirements like the CBC? But that's not the way in which the government has decided to treat the issue.