Those loans are reported. They bear interest. They must be repaid. And it is a criminal offence if they are not repaid. That is what the law says. We are here talking about those loans precisely because I ordered those loans be disclosed and that leadership candidates disclose those loans.
You misconstrue everything that I said about what Mr. Martin.... Mr. Martin is here talking to me about egg-sucking dogs, and I'm here saying that we don't know, in the year 2000, who gave to his leadership campaign because all of the donors were laundered, yes, through the New Democratic Party, and he lists only the New Democratic Party as a donor to his election campaign in 2000. In 2004, he spent--as I think we've come to expect of the NDP--more than he raised.