I guess we're also concerned about the revolving door of lobbyists. I was asking about lobbying being done by the same firms that get other contracts from government, the revolving door of the PMO to the lobbying firms that was past practice.
When you were dealing with Earnscliffe, was that your experience? Were you were dealing with people who were charged, had connections to the PMO politically, and were still working on your behalf doing opinion work?