Number one, I don't think our members are essentially at the level to be meeting the lobbyists. It would normally be people who are more senior than them, because our members implement decisions and, at a very minuscule level, make decisions. We were listening to the lobby group this morning, and they were talking about decisions at higher levels than our members would make.
I think there should be a lot more openness, but I'm not going to speak to that issue, other than to say that our members, generally speaking, are at a very low level of decision-making, more in line with implementing the decisions. Quite frankly, implementing the decisions taken by senior managers leads to the whole issue of whistle-blowing because if they're asked to do that and they recognize it as being wrong, they have to have a place to go. Obviously it's not going to be to one of the persons telling them to do it.