Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Welcome, gentlemen.
I think you were here during the previous discussion with the Canadian Police Association. I raised a question with them basically on the balance between justice and incarceration versus civil liberties. In my view, reverse onus in our criminal justice system is a huge step forward. It's a huge step. I don't know whether it's forward or backward at the moment, but it certainly has consequences for civil liberties and rights.
From your research perspective, Jim, you mentioned you've worked toward basically a scientific understanding of assessment of risk and treatability. With the dangerous offenders, in the main—I don't even know if you can answer this question, and you've worked closely with them, I suspect, from a scientific understanding--is it right to take their civil liberties away? Is there a possibility of these folks being able to get back into society? Or is it a lost cause?