First of all, I think that question was a good illustration of what I was highlighting in my presentation, the difference between a negative orientation versus a positive one.
We think new technologies like CO2 capture are where the real reductions are going to occur long term. And let's have the dialogue about what's necessary to attract the capital needed to make that happen, as opposed to punitive targets that would erode investor confidence and undermine our ability to finance the environmental improvements we're talking about today.