I want to come to the short-term window here.
I know, Mr. Keith, you said Kyoto is a bit of a stumbling block or kind of gets in the way of thinking about long-term change. There is a political dialogue going on in terms of us needing to make the Kyoto target and the timeline. That is a very real discussion and one that could potentially end up legislated within Bill C-30 here, at the amendment stage. We can't entirely ignore that reality.
So I want to come to the short-term window for a moment. Mr. Lazar, I believe it was you who said what we really need is that transformative change in the way we do business. But it requires lots of capital to retool, and that is scarce in the manufacturing sector currently. I'd like some discussion about that short-term window of the next three, four, or five years. If we go, for example, to the purchase of credits, is there not some concern about the outflow of capital at a time when we should be investing it here domestically for transformative change? That may not necessarily include early actors, because you might be in a position of selling credit, but I want to talk about manufacturing in the broader sense.