The one important thing I want to say, though, is that as we approach the conversations of the substantive tools and measures we need to wrestle greenhouse gases under control in this country, almost to an amendment the government has tried to get them ruled out of order, has chosen to seek delay or to bring in notions of political rhetoric and these types of things. I'm getting disturbed by the trend. If what we want to do is to debate substantive choices—this cap over that cap, this target over that target, or this measure over that measure—then let's do that, but there's a disturbing trend that I would encourage the government members to avoid, which is to seek to rule out of order everything that would actually lead Canada to doing something about greenhouse gas emissions, or to seek to bring in notions of a political conspiracy or debate.
Let's talk about the substantive. That's why we suggested the creation of this committee in the first place; it was to debate policy, to debate options, and not to seek to throw wrenches into the works. So let's proceed in a more constructive way and have the courage to debate targets, hard caps, and measures that we think will get us to where Canada needs to be.