Evidence of meeting #22 for Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michel Ares  Counsel, Department of Justice Canada
Phil Blagden  Manager, Air Health Effects Division, Department of Health
John Moffet  Acting Director General, Legislation and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

5 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

To set the record straight, though, Mr. Chair, it does not say “may” anywhere in that proposed section; it says “shall”, and only “shall”, and it requires a fiscal plan upon passing. I want to make that point.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

It says “shall prepare a Climate Change Plan”. It's a plan.

5 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

It's a plan that includes fiscal spending.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

It's a plan that may include—that includes these elements.

5 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

There's no “may”.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

It includes these elements that may have values or not.

5 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

There is no “may”. Just for the record, Mr. Chair, there is no “may”, and you repeated it.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

It says “shall” prepare a plan—that's all—that includes elements as listed that may or may not have values attached.

Anyway, that is my ruling.

Go ahead, Mr. Cullen.

5 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

This seems to be going back and forth on debate. The ruling's been made, and the vote's been called. I think we should proceed with the vote.

5 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

I challenge the chair on his ruling.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

The question is simple: shall the chair be sustained? It's a recorded vote.

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 7; nays 5)

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

The chair is sustained. The question has been called.

Go ahead, Mr. Moffet.

5 p.m.

Acting Director General, Legislation and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

John Moffet

I appreciate that the question's been called. I wonder if there's any scope to ask a question to clarify the NDP amendment regarding the air pollution, an amendment about which we have some concerns.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

The question's been called, and we have a request for a recorded vote.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 7; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Go ahead on a point of order, Mr. Warawa.

5 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I just wanted to make sure it was in the record that prior to the vote the officials asked for input, and they were denied because the question had been called. That is on the record.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

They had concerns with the legislation, Mr. Chair.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Well, it's on the record that the question was called.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC

That's fine. I just wanted to make sure it's on the record that we moved ahead and voted on something without really knowing what we were voting on.

Thank you.

Clause 18 as amended agreed to)

(Clause 19 agreed to)

(On clause 20)

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

There are no amendments to clause 20 that I'm aware of.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Isn't there some connection between clause 20 and clause 4? I made notes on that earlier, Mr. Chair.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

I don't have a note on that, but I stand to be educated.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Maybe it was NDP-20 and not clause 20. I could be in error.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

It was NDP-20.

There are no amendments to clauses 20 or 21 that I have been made aware of.

(Clause 20 and 21 agreed to)

(On clause 22)

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

We have two amendments, the first one being NDP-23, on page 45.