Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) Committee on March 27th, 2007

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

To set the record straight, though, Mr. Chair, it does not say “may” anywhere in that proposed section; it says “shall”, and only “shall”, and it requires a fiscal plan upon passing. I want to make that point.

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

It says “shall prepare a Climate Change Plan”. It's a plan.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

It's a plan that includes fiscal spending.

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

It's a plan that may include—that includes these elements.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

There's no “may”.

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

It includes these elements that may have values or not.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

There is no “may”. Just for the record, Mr. Chair, there is no “may”, and you repeated it.

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

It says “shall” prepare a plan—that's all—that includes elements as listed that may or may not have values attached.

Anyway, that is my ruling.

Go ahead, Mr. Cullen.

[Nathan Cullen, NDP, Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC]

This seems to be going back and forth on debate. The ruling's been made, and the vote's been called. I think we should proceed with the vote.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

I challenge the chair on his ruling.

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

The question is simple: shall the chair be sustained? It's a recorded vote.

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 7; nays 5)

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

The chair is sustained. The question has been called.

Go ahead, Mr. Moffet.

[John Moffet]

I appreciate that the question's been called. I wonder if there's any scope to ask a question to clarify the NDP amendment regarding the air pollution, an amendment about which we have some concerns.

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

The question's been called, and we have a request for a recorded vote.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 7; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

Go ahead on a point of order, Mr. Warawa.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley, BC]

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I just wanted to make sure it was in the record that prior to the vote the officials asked for input, and they were denied because the question had been called. That is on the record.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

They had concerns with the legislation, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

Well, it's on the record that the question was called.

[Mark Warawa, Conservative, Langley, BC]

That's fine. I just wanted to make sure it's on the record that we moved ahead and voted on something without really knowing what we were voting on.

Thank you.

Clause 18 as amended agreed to)

(Clause 19 agreed to)

(On clause 20)

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

There are no amendments to clause 20 that I'm aware of.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

Isn't there some connection between clause 20 and clause 4? I made notes on that earlier, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

I don't have a note on that, but I stand to be educated.

[Brian Jean, Conservative, Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB]

Maybe it was NDP-20 and not clause 20. I could be in error.

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

It was NDP-20.

There are no amendments to clauses 20 or 21 that I have been made aware of.

(Clause 20 and 21 agreed to)

(On clause 22)

[The Chair, Conservative, Laurie Hawn]

We have two amendments, the first one being NDP-23, on page 45.