Yes. I thought I laid that out, Mr. Chairman, committee members, in terms of putting incentives on the table. For someone who owns a car that is 10 or 12 years old, a very small number keep it because they love it, or for some reason they like old cars, but most are keeping it because they can't afford a new car. If you said to them, look, the government is willing to forgive, for example, the GST on that vehicle, ask the provincial government to forgive the provincial sales tax if it's built in North America, and then you ask the companies to provide a further incentive to buy the vehicle that's made in North America, then you can see the down payment becomes the incentive. They don't have to raise huge capital to pay down, they can handle the payments, which in today's interest rate environment would be fairly low, and most even lower-income families could then look at getting rid of the old clunkers and getting a vehicle.
That is the quickest way--and there's not anyone who can contest this--to get the old vehicles off the road and get new vehicles in the hands of people who drive those old vehicles. Dismantle and remanufacture them, create jobs by tearing the vehicles apart, recycle, and put them back in the system. That's the quickest way to reduce greenhouse gas.