Of course.
I just don't think it's the time now for us, whether we're politicians, business groups, scientists, or whatever it is, to try to polarize groups and say there's more pain this way or there's more gain this way. We need to get on with it. In this respect, many of us around the table agree that there is science that is very challenging, as was pointed out by the scientists on this panel today. There are signals that need to be given to consumers, there are signals that need to be given to small business, and as we've said very clearly, we accept that some responsible target-setting needs to be done by government. We've heard that loud and clear.