Well, I think the Valenti example is excellent, because yesterday's pirates are now the ones demanding protection. We can go all the way back to when Hollywood was an outlaw pirate haven escaping the Thomas Edison Corporation copyrights. They created Hollywood. Then Sony were the pirates who were going to strangle the Hollywood industry because they were pushing the VCR technology. Now Sony, of course, wants to sue every kid who downloads one of their movies. What goes around comes around, and it will continue on into the next generation.
I hear my colleagues over on the other side with their blind faith in the market. It doesn't correspond to reality. When young people who buy a product try to access it and find there's a lock on it, they're told to go and talk to Sony and work it out with them. What they do is simply go and download it.
I don't know if you have seen the Herefordshire, U.K., study on downloading music; young people don't mind paying for music, but they want access. If you deny them access, they'll get it anyway.
I'm interested, though, in terms of the digital lock provisions. I know article 10 of the world copyright treaty says that within states that are signatories to the world copyright treaty, exemptions that have been defined in national law can be carried forward into the digital realm. An example is the right to parody and satire. The right to be able to extract something for parody and satire can be carried forward. It's within the WIPO Copyright Treaty. Many of our WIPO-compliant countries—19 or 20 of them at least—have language that clarifies the role of the digital lock. It protects the digital lock from counterfeit and prevents people being able to take works unfairly, but it defines the rights and guarantees the right of a nation state to allow the exemptions that have been created by law to exist.
With regard to the Conservative position on digital locks, would you suggest that it's not even more extreme than in the United States, where recently there were definitions of right of fair use to limit digital locks?
My question here is this: how do you see Canada defining digital locks in terms of our obligations internationally?