Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Geist, you and I were both at the event at McGill University at which Bruce Lehman, who wrote the DMCA legislation, spoke. Mr. Lehman shocked everybody, because he said he felt the DMCA had been a failure and urged Canada not to do what he had done.
Then he said something that I thought was very disturbing. He said he felt we were in somewhat of a post-copyright era, in that when millions of people just opt out of any respect for copyright, copyright has no place.
I personally don't believe that, but what concerns me in this bill is that people are going to do what they're going to do anyway. I've heard this from a number of people about the digital lock provision in proposed section 29.22's right to reproduce for private purposes unless there's a technological protection measure, and about proposed section 29.23 on time shifting unless there's a technological protection measure, and on education rights.
If people are ignoring the law, how do you enforce it? That's the question I've had: how do you force people to, for instance, destroy their class notes after 30 days? How do you tell them they can't keep a library? Once people see that as an irrelevant issue, then the whole legitimacy of copyright is undermined.
Do you believe it would be better for us to focus the bill so that there are clear rules about how copyright is enforced and how it's not enforced, so that if citizens have rights guaranteed under the bill, then those are their rights?