We're concerned about his income as well. That's one of the dilemmas we have in attempting to find a balance between what we think is right for the creators and what we think is necessary for education and the access of students and teachers to material. So we have that concern as well.
I think sometimes when we're talking about fair dealing and we're talking about photocopying and we're talking about making copies of work from texts or from other works, printed or not, we tend to get a little confused about the game that's at play.
Mr. Brown referenced Access Copyright and the photocopying arrangement between school boards and ministries of education and that group. What happens within that is there's a set rate for students to pay, or school boards or ministries to pay on behalf of students, for the amount of copying that is done within the amount set by Copyright Canada. There was a study done in 2005-06 by Access Copyright to determine the amount of copying that teachers do in schools. It was for the purpose of helping Copyright Canada make the decision—