Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Thank you to the witnesses.
I was interested to hear Mr. Garneau's comment that it's 2011 and they no longer support the iPod tax. It's almost like a weather forecast sometimes, Mr. Chairman. In 2010 they were arguing in support of corporate tax reductions as a means to create jobs. We know that is apparently now the devil. Apparently it's 2011, and that position has also changed. It is interesting, though; you never quite know what you're going to get when the positions are rapidly changing.
But you know what you're going to get with our party. You're going to get consistency, in particular when we stand on behalf of an industry and try to recreate a market that is under threat. That's what Bill C-32 seeks to do.
It was interesting that Madam Lavallée pointed out that the bill is really about industry versus creators, but there's a very important third aspect to copyright, which is the consumer. It needs to be fair to all three parts and it needs to be balanced. That's what we've really sought to do.
I was interested when we talked about fair dealing. First of all, I want everyone to know that a lot of the debate we seem to be having here revolves around the fact that I don't think people understand fair dealing. There's some confusion with it even here, with the members on this committee. But if you look, for example, at the education exemption on fair dealing, people keep on going back to the fact that you'll be able to make copies of entire works and there will be no compensation. That is fundamentally false. It's not true. Copying is not fair dealing--and it does not wipe out that collective. In fact, the educational institutions are not seeking to have those collective funds taken away.
Mr. Angus thinks we should get into and open the Pandora's box on fair dealing. What I'd like to know is whether you support the Berne standard and the five-part test that was established by the Supreme Court. Because this is the basis for fair dealing. That's what the bill works with. If you support that, and the bill doesn't take away fair dealing--in fact, it doesn't amend fair dealing--then I'm just not quite sure what the concern is.