Evidence of meeting #4 for Bill C-35 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was onus.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Lomer  Treasurer, Criminal Lawyers' Association

10 a.m.

Treasurer, Criminal Lawyers' Association

Michael Lomer

First of all, let me say I think I'd like to see how they collected it.

It's estimated--and again, I don't even know where I got this from--that 80% of those charged get convicted of something or plead guilty to something. I think it's somewhere around there. So 20% will go to trial or have it withdrawn or something of that nature. So you're asking me to explain the other 40%.

Where I would see room for a lot of manoeuvring.... What you see a lot of is a gun in a car with four kids or four young adults. When somebody takes the gun, the other three are acquitted, unless they can prove knowledge of the gun in the hands of the others, which they often cannot do.

Mr. Thompson, I can't offer you explanations. It's sort of hard. But with respect to your saying make bail tougher, I have to tell you that you have a charter there that says you can't be denied the right to a reasonable bail without just cause.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Myron Thompson Conservative Wild Rose, AB

And then my question is, isn't that a little bit irresponsible?

10 a.m.

Treasurer, Criminal Lawyers' Association

Michael Lomer

I guess you could always try to amend the charter.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bernard Patry

Thank you.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Myron Thompson Conservative Wild Rose, AB

If it's okay with you, I'll not try that.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bernard Patry

Thank you very much, Mr. Lomer. I thank you for being with us this morning.

We're going to adjourn.