The figure that you have is there. In a sense, both John Muise and I would agree that the number of crimes reported to the police certainly went up dramatically for the 20-year period. The drop from the early to mid-1990s is also something that I think we shouldn't deny. I would agree with him completely that one doesn't want, with crime, to cherry-pick comparisons of years and comparisons of particular crimes over years.
I think my answer to it is that this isn't a time where we have to panic and look for quick, ineffectual solutions to crime. What we should be doing is looking for something serious. I think the problem is that what we would do about crime, whether crime is increasing or decreasing, seems to be much the same.
The issue of gangs with guns, which John Muise has mentioned, is a serious problem. I actually really don't care, in the context of what we're going to be doing about it, whether there is less of it this year than there was last year or the year before. It seems to me that if there's a problem with guns and gangs, we should address that problem.
So I'd see the issue of crime going up or down as not being the central issue. The central issue is that we should be doing something serious about crimes, and obviously we should be doing something serious about crimes with firearms.