I think it's about time we called a cat a cat and a dog a dog.
Probably in modern history China represents, for Canada, the most formidable opponent and threat to our democracy, to our economy, and to our Canadian citizens of Chinese descent or from other origins.
The Chinese government perceives the relationship with others doing business not as we understand it. For the Chinese government, they are basically at war, and everything goes when at war. They are ready to do what they need to do, which is to bribe, to cheat, to lie and to bully, because the name of the game is to win—that's it, that's all.
At the end of the day, if you really want to understand how the Chinese government works, learn the game of Go, because the game of Go is basically a question of acquiring territory and having influence on the board. It has nothing to do with luck; it has to do with strategy. They are the most formidable strategists, and the use of influence is greatly important.
The change of policy and the change of direction from the director of CSIS in finally naming China for what it stands for should also be a guidance or a sign for the government and elected officials that we need to stand up to China. Unfortunately, internationally, there is dissension. Internationally, we do not necessarily work together. For us, we just see the Huawei cases. When we started to weaken, some other people came from behind and tried to fill up the emptiness that we left behind. We need to be capable of co-operating internationally and definitely of trying to start working together in Canada as well.
One of the great problems that I've seen within the public service, for example, was in our conflict with Huawei. Shortly after the trouble started, with court procedures and everything, we saw the Global Affairs department consider a Chinese company, Nuctech, which is equally as problematic as Huawei, to secure our embassies and our consulates for several million dollars. It's like the right hand is not talking to the left hand. We do certain things in government, but we lack the support of our public servants. I'm talking about Global Affairs. If one department should have had knowledge of what was going on, it was these guys. I think a kick in the butt was missed here somewhere.