That's a good and complicated question. If I had the answer, we would all be in much better shape, but I'll try.
The reality is that we have to figure out ways to engage with China. The question is about the terms of the engagement that is taking place. China is so embedded in the global economy now. I just don't see that we could cut off relations completely, partly because there would be concern in other countries. I'm watching, with concern, what is happening with Germany and France right now. They're putting all their eggs in the economics and trade basket.
There are a number of places where we could work on these issues. There are the national security concerns, of course, about what Chinese companies are doing, but there's also the whole system of subsidies and protective tariffs that the Chinese government is imposing.
In addition to reforming the WHO, we also need to reform the World Trade Organization, because we have to get to the heart of what is creating this unfair competition. I used to serve on the board of an American manufacturing company, which actually has a plant in London, Ontario. I know that American and Canadian workers can be the best in the world, but they are working in an unfair field. We need to make sure that we address all of these subsidies.
There's growing awareness and concern around the world about China's rise, and the way it's rising. China is being, in some ways, its own worst enemy with this stomping around, insulting people, and what people are calling “wolf warrior diplomacy”.
There's opportunity, but we live in a world where we're not going to be able to cut them off completely. China has 1.4 billion people. The reality is that we're going to have to figure out a way to work together with them in places where we can, and continue to push in the places where we can't.