I think we have to try. To give up would be to cede the field completely to the Chinese government and their authoritarianism—the ideology they are trying to spread.
I'll note a couple of places of concern. One, of course, is the national security law they passed that has destroyed Hong Kong as one country, two systems. It includes a provision that they believe allows them to basically reach into any country at any time if any of us has violated what they think is their law. As I just saw yesterday, there is a new push whereby they intend to promote Chinese rule of law around the world and make all of us comply with Chinese laws.
I think we need to engage in the judiciary, in the legal system, to make sure that people are clear and engaged in it. Again, we need to figure out which countries are going to be the most concerned about that and figure out ways to have our own united front, frankly. I'll use that phrase.
It is, I believe, a clash of ideologies that is happening, and I don't think we can give up. I'm not always sure how to handle it, but if we give up we have lost completely.